Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
ETLB Squawk Forums    Building and Flying Related Boards    miniMax, Hi-Max, and AirBike General Discussions  ›  Band vs Disk brakes on the max Moderators: Administrator Group
Users Browsing Forum
No Members and 12 Guests

Band vs Disk brakes on the max  This thread currently has 460 views. Print
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
ITman496
July 25, 2021, 12:29am Report to Moderator

Ace
Posts: 411
Time Online: 1 days 23 hours 31 minutes
Does anyone have any opinions?  I recall reading that bands were considered better because you don't actually want good brakes on a tail dragger.  But I've seen that some people have converted to disk and don't seem to regret it.  

What are your thoughts?  Personally I love disk brakes.  I've not had tremendous luck with bands.  Currently my max is on band brakes, however.
Logged Offline
Private Message
Max SSDR
July 25, 2021, 3:30pm Report to Moderator
If it flies, floats or fornicates.... rent it!
Flight Leader
Posts: 181
Time Online: 3 days 18 hours 44 minutes
IT Man,
I'm just fitting discs to my 'Max. I've posted several photos on the MinimaxUK FB page. I have arthritis in my fingers and found that trying to hold the Max during engine checks etc. was a trial. My main reason for fitting discs is that I can have differential braking for ground handling. I've used a set of Clarks Hydraulic MTB brakes with 160mm rotors. I have to make heel brake pedals to fit the tiny master cylinders. It's been quite a journey!
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 1 - 17
ITman496
July 25, 2021, 4:12pm Report to Moderator

Ace
Posts: 411
Time Online: 1 days 23 hours 31 minutes
I actually made pedals with differential braking to use with the band brakes. Though it would be a lot easier to do mechanically with little boosters..
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 2 - 17
KGrenier
July 26, 2021, 4:12pm Report to Moderator
Fledgling Member
Posts: 19
Time Online: 1 days 12 hours 22 minutes
I have been researching disc brakes myself. Check out the brakes for electric bikes. They have a thicker rotor. I have heard that some people are having rotor failure due to excessive deflection with hard braking. The thicker rotors should help.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 3 - 17
ITman496
July 27, 2021, 12:16am Report to Moderator

Ace
Posts: 411
Time Online: 1 days 23 hours 31 minutes
I was going to steal the brakes off of my electric gokart, which are meant as front brakes for those big full roll case yerf-dog two seater off road gokarts.  You've actually genuinely heard of minimaxes having brake failure due to that? Huh.. I didn't think they weighed enough to do that, though I suppose if people are using tiny little frail mountain bike disks, that might be why..  
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 4 - 17
KGrenier
July 27, 2021, 12:53am Report to Moderator
Fledgling Member
Posts: 19
Time Online: 1 days 12 hours 22 minutes
IT Man,
Some people have tried mountain bike hydraulic brakes. Actually in Max SSDR post, he is referring to that type of brakes. And yes, people have had rotor failures.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 5 - 17
Max SSDR
July 27, 2021, 9:08pm Report to Moderator
If it flies, floats or fornicates.... rent it!
Flight Leader
Posts: 181
Time Online: 3 days 18 hours 44 minutes
Hi KG, can you point me to any references regarding MTB rotor failure? I'd like to see the circumstances.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 6 - 17
cdlwingnut
July 28, 2021, 12:05am Report to Moderator
Ace
Posts: 416
Time Online: 3 days 22 hours 22 minutes
I put band brakes on my piet, i made heal peddles for differential braking. still mostly untested yet though
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 7 - 17
KGrenier
July 28, 2021, 1:03am Report to Moderator
Fledgling Member
Posts: 19
Time Online: 1 days 12 hours 22 minutes
Hi Max SSDR,  When I started to think about putting bike brakes on my plane. I did a search on a few different aviation BBS. There is an old thread on this BBS. I do have to correct myself. The rotor failure was due to the mounting bracket flexing. Sorry, my memory isn't wait it used to be. I have seen your setup on the UK Minimax group on Facebook. Your design looks very strong.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 8 - 17
KGrenier
July 28, 2021, 1:41am Report to Moderator
Fledgling Member
Posts: 19
Time Online: 1 days 12 hours 22 minutes
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 9 - 17
Max SSDR
July 28, 2021, 8:32pm Report to Moderator
If it flies, floats or fornicates.... rent it!
Flight Leader
Posts: 181
Time Online: 3 days 18 hours 44 minutes
Quoted from KGrenier


Yes, thanks for that info. I gave a lot of thought to my caliper mounts but only time will tell!
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 10 - 17
joe.scalet
July 30, 2021, 4:26pm Report to Moderator

Flight Leader
Posts: 155
Time Online: 2 days 1 hours 58 minutes
I use drum brakes on my AirBike. I use a stick mounted dual lever. Squeeze both=both brakes, right=right, left=left. Works well. They are adjusted to not lock the wheel. Very simple and light weight.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 11 - 17
radfordc
August 20, 2021, 1:38am Report to Moderator

Ace
Posts: 1,836
Time Online: 18 days 1 hours
Quoted from Max SSDR
Hi KG, can you point me to any references regarding MTB rotor failure? I'd like to see the circumstances.


I use mountain bike disc brakes on my Eindecker E-111 replica.  One of the rotors failed under heavy braking when the mount flexed.  I had to add a "stay cable" to react the torque forces.  No problem since.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 12 - 17
Max SSDR
August 23, 2021, 2:41pm Report to Moderator
If it flies, floats or fornicates.... rent it!
Flight Leader
Posts: 181
Time Online: 3 days 18 hours 44 minutes
Quoted from KGrenier


Here's my rotor mount. It actually has a bushing inside it to replace the lost bearing area where I had to turn down the bushes on the Asuza wheels to give enough room to stack the whole setup within the existing axle length.





Attachment: rotor_mount_small_7455.jpg
Size: 191.17 KB

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 13 - 17
ITman496
August 23, 2021, 11:32pm Report to Moderator

Ace
Posts: 411
Time Online: 1 days 23 hours 31 minutes
How does the caliper mount on there?
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 14 - 17
Max SSDR
August 24, 2021, 5:40pm Report to Moderator
If it flies, floats or fornicates.... rent it!
Flight Leader
Posts: 181
Time Online: 3 days 18 hours 44 minutes
Caliper mounts on a 2 part bracket using the axle bolt plus one other steady bolt as you see here. The extra washers are temporary until I can get shorter caliper mount set screws

[img][/img]



Attachment: final_fit_1_50_331.jpg
Size: 194.27 KB

Attachment: caliper_mount_bracket_2_resize_2253.jpg
Size: 146.27 KB

Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 15 - 17
ITman496
August 24, 2021, 11:45pm Report to Moderator

Ace
Posts: 411
Time Online: 1 days 23 hours 31 minutes
thats a neat looking bracket!
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 16 - 17
Max SSDR
August 25, 2021, 6:25pm Report to Moderator
If it flies, floats or fornicates.... rent it!
Flight Leader
Posts: 181
Time Online: 3 days 18 hours 44 minutes
Thanks! I should have mentioned that there is some float for the calipers via the slotted mounting holes holes in the supplied caliper mounts.
Logged Offline
Private Message Reply: 17 - 17
1 Pages 1 Recommend Thread
Print


Thread Rating
There is currently no rating for this thread
 

Click here for The photo of the Moment