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Phil
December 9, 2019, 11:53pm Report to Moderator

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Need to clarify the Bing carb needle o-ring upgrade set-up.
I have no idea how it is done in the carb assembly since diagram is unknown.
My R277 need this update. Also, kindly looked at the photo from AS if this the right item? Thanks.



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joe.scalet
December 10, 2019, 3:01am Report to Moderator

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From California Power Systems (CPS):
The JET NEEDLE should have a tiny o-ring on it, about 3/16 inch in
diameter.  This o-ring should slide down over the top of the JET NEEDLE and
snug up against the E CLIP.  The purpose of this o-ring is to keep the JET
NEEDLE from spinning inside the E CLIP, and getting sawed in two.  If you
don't have one of these o-rings, order one from California Power Systems.
Part #963-505.  Don't fly without it!
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Phil
December 11, 2019, 11:41am Report to Moderator

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Thanks!, Joe.,
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Petter Strand
December 11, 2019, 11:48am Report to Moderator

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If you are ugrading from a carb needle that has no o-ring, donĀ“t you also need a new cup? See below:
http://ultralightnews.ca/bing/needleclipupdate.html
The Rotax Service letter: http://ultralightnews.ca/bing/bingupdate.pdf


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joe.scalet
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I believe you meant "clip" instead of cup. Yes, I would also replace the clip in  case it was worn as well. A quick test, if the clip can be spun around the needle with little or no force, replace it.
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joe.scalet
December 12, 2019, 2:50am Report to Moderator

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I should have added, replace all three parts: Needle, Clip, O ring. Be sure you order the correct needle and seat the clip in the correct groove for your situation.
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Quoted from joe.scalet
I should have added, replace all three parts: Needle, Clip, O ring. Be sure you order the correct needle and seat the clip in the correct groove for your situation.


What Joe said.  The mid-range needle jets wear over time.  

You can determine the proper clip position by observing your EGTs in the 4000-5500 rpm range.  I generally adjust mine twice a year,  late spring and late fall.
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Petter Strand
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Quoted from joe.scalet
I believe you meant "clip" instead of cup.


Hi Joe. I meant cup. Think it is called needle cup. The new cup has a recess where the o-ring fits. And if you look at the Rotax Service letter, the new cup and old cup has different part numbers.

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joe.scalet
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Ok, you're referring to the plastic slide part # 827-347 that the connects the throttle cable and needle?
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Petter Strand
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Quoted from joe.scalet
Ok, you're referring to the plastic slide part # 827-347 that the connects the throttle cable and needle?


Yes, correct. Rotax calls it "spring cup".
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December 12, 2019, 10:53pm Report to Moderator

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Thanks very much Petter for the information. I will check my 447 carb this spring. I know that the O ring is there, cause I put it there, but I had no idea that a new clip and spring cup was involved in the update.


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Phil
December 13, 2019, 1:07am Report to Moderator

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Does the 'new clip' has part number?
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Petter Strand
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Quoted from Phil
Does the 'new clip' has part number?


Acording to this: # 963 500




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Thank you, Guys. For very informative comments. I ordered from LEAF today.



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